tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5585634015029577378.comments2023-03-19T07:58:10.883-06:00 Alien First ContactEric Melcherhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09241965998003676966noreply@blogger.comBlogger186125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5585634015029577378.post-83343315315877077962017-04-17T14:04:59.435-05:002017-04-17T14:04:59.435-05:00There will always be fake news because of so many ...There will always be fake news because of so many people's tendency to repeat what they've heard with their own biasses filtering and distorting the information. Many seem entirely incapable of reporting what they see without interpretation. This plus the general tendency to mistrust would more than likely mean disaster if first contact ever occurs.<br />Webby the Greyhttp://allaboutaliens.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5585634015029577378.post-32306829459688599332015-11-05T08:44:27.693-06:002015-11-05T08:44:27.693-06:00Actually what is required for First Contact Protoc...Actually what is required for First Contact Protocol has already been given to mankind and that protocol is based on biological fact. It is used to determine sapient life.<br />1) A mind is responsible for the body within which it resides. Every life support system of a living organism has life support to provide for the body.<br />2) The mind is wholly linguistic by function. <br />3) There are two, and only two, primitive branches of language based not only on biology, but also the definition of a thing itself; Logics, which are indexing systems such as common grammar and mathematics, but also Analogics, one a mind manipulates the virtualization of things that produce behavior. By definition, both systems of language have to say one and the same thing. <br />4) Language is effected itself as standards of behavior. <br />5) Standards of behavior is called Law. <br />6) There are then, factually, in metaphor, Two Tablets of Law. <br /><br />People believe that the Judeo-Christian Scripture is religious or mythological in nature, however, since all of language manipulation is based on proportional equality, or again geometric equality, or again metaphor, one tests a species using functional language, just like one does in mathematics. <br />https://archive.org/details/Revelations5<br />Mankind is demonstrably not sapient at this time in its evolution. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5585634015029577378.post-58996985016653280082015-11-04T09:21:25.343-06:002015-11-04T09:21:25.343-06:00I will respect the fact that the U.N. has appointe...I will respect the fact that the U.N. has appointed Dr. Mazian Othman for first contact protocol. In fact, I welcome it. However, she has not been educated into what is expected of that office. <br /><br />Mankind has been undergoing first contact protocol for a very long time. In that regard, the human race is not considered linguistic, it is considered proto-linguistic. To aid mankind in language training, I have evidently been drafted to introduce it. <br /><br />One will find not only a new language, but language concepts as well in my work. Language is biologically defined. Those principles are universal and determine, by definition, sapient behavior. The human race is simply not up to those standards. <br /><br />https://archive.org/details/Revelations5<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5585634015029577378.post-31727022877698852022015-09-16T06:35:45.055-05:002015-09-16T06:35:45.055-05:00You make a valid point, but one which we would hav...You make a valid point, but one which we would have to solve internally. Currently, with what we know from science, we are the only organized civilization on the planet. Sure, there are plenty of other intelligent species, but they lack the characteristics of organization to communicate and negotiate as a group with an extraterrestrial civilization. That's what would be necessary in a First Contact situation.<br /><br />I find it completely plausible that extraterrestrials would come to Earth and be surprised at our sense of entitlement on this planet. We treat other species here like crap and that should be a huge issue in our future development. That's a problem we will have to solve ourselves.Eric Melcherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09241965998003676966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5585634015029577378.post-17457726958578098852015-09-15T20:34:00.075-05:002015-09-15T20:34:00.075-05:00Rather than assert "human" rights, it mi...Rather than assert "human" rights, it might be interesting to think from the perspective of "universal rights." Also, the notion that Earth belongs to humans is not self-evident. Here is a thought experiment: What if there were already a species on the planet that is much more advanced than humans? Should they rightfully claim dominion and control over earth (including its human cargo)?<br /><br />When it comes to drafting universal rules of engagement, it would be fascinating if there were a drug that would cause selective amnesia so that the recipient would forget what species they are. Would such an amnesiac tolerate the growth and killing of cattle just for the taste of cattle body parts (it is obviously not of necessity), especially if the amnesiac might be a cow? By removing the bias of self-interest, different rules and principles might be ascertained.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5585634015029577378.post-12116212087866532892015-07-16T12:46:16.662-05:002015-07-16T12:46:16.662-05:00I prefer this kind of contact. Mysterious first co...I prefer this kind of contact. Mysterious first contact , no dead like in violent fisrt contact, no answer given in a silver plate in peaceful first contact. What we will have is the most important thing : Question and the will to answer them because of Fear. Fear of the Unknown will drive us to discover new tech( like in the Cold War), it will force us to put aside our differences for the greater good of the human race . Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5585634015029577378.post-15910239222448309082015-07-16T12:34:05.476-05:002015-07-16T12:34:05.476-05:00What we are , what we accomplish as a race , we di...What we are , what we accomplish as a race , we did it alone. Receveing alien help is like spiting at the memory of our ancestor.It is better if we rise or fall as a race without interference, there are more honour in that (I am talking about receiving technological and social help to solve our problem, if aliens only want to say hello and do an cultural exchange I am not against it )<br />I don't want the human race to be known as " The race who has be helped" <br /><br />ps:english is not my first language so sorry if there are some errorsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5585634015029577378.post-67237616896314015632015-07-16T12:19:54.801-05:002015-07-16T12:19:54.801-05:00No , don't land in USA. Many countries hate US...No , don't land in USA. Many countries hate USA and the country where Aliens will land will be historical. Other countries have the tech and media to coverage that event. I am not American but I love USa and I will hate that Aliens land there.<br />Others possible countries for an eventual landing :<br />1) Canada <br />2) Japan <br />3)UK<br />4) France<br />5)Germany<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5585634015029577378.post-85705335869983673772015-06-08T12:17:49.532-05:002015-06-08T12:17:49.532-05:00I would both hope and agree with your sentiments a...I would both hope and agree with your sentiments anon, but both of us should also be prepared for negative situations as well. A little caution will go a long way if such First Contact does occur some day.Eric Melcherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09241965998003676966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5585634015029577378.post-36948196494509373992015-06-03T22:34:17.568-05:002015-06-03T22:34:17.568-05:00Humanity could definitely use a nudge. We have to ...Humanity could definitely use a nudge. We have to evolve, not so much physically, but mentally and spiritually. We must evolve our consciousness if we wish to survive. We must learn to be sustainable and walk in balance with Earth. No more war, no more pollution and destruction of nature, no more greed for money and material wealth, no more power tripping politicians and corporations. <br />Could our cosmic family (aliens) at least show their ships all over the planet at one time? They don't even have to communicate with us, just show up in broad daylight and give us the sign/message of Unity and Peace and Love. Remind us that we are all part of One- God, Spirit, Creator, Higher Power, Universe, Force.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5585634015029577378.post-22882279663035259942015-02-20T12:27:11.539-06:002015-02-20T12:27:11.539-06:00Yeah, data-pool is more of a specific thing. I sup...Yeah, data-pool is more of a specific thing. I suppose what I mean is Database management systems as a whole.Eric Melcherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09241965998003676966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5585634015029577378.post-69760176346403257752015-02-16T18:55:04.087-06:002015-02-16T18:55:04.087-06:00"if a data-savvy alien group could get into h..."if a data-savvy alien group could get into human data pools"<br /><br /><br />"data pools" would include all sources of information including those that are much more substantial (and would probably not come to mind) if one used a phrase such as "data base"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5585634015029577378.post-10935073803775172312015-01-20T16:27:16.297-06:002015-01-20T16:27:16.297-06:00You have more faith in the powers of the governmen...You have more faith in the powers of the government than I do Anon.Eric Melcherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09241965998003676966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5585634015029577378.post-8669543016922101772015-01-20T14:17:03.968-06:002015-01-20T14:17:03.968-06:00Let me preface this by saying I don't believe ...Let me preface this by saying I don't believe any extraterrestrial civilization has made contact with any terrestrial civilization.<br /><br />That said, it's quite easy to imagine a group making secret contact with the US government and not being found out. Our government isn't as open as you seem to think, and any evidence that they've been talking to aliens is going to get dismissed as conspiracy theory rubbish when it does come to light. Frankly I think they could keep that secret (if I believed it existed, which I don't) indefinitely unless someone did something stupid.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5585634015029577378.post-47714775732740087152014-09-29T12:57:28.407-05:002014-09-29T12:57:28.407-05:00Yep, I agree. I often wonder what would happen if ...Yep, I agree. I often wonder what would happen if a data-savvy alien group could get into human data pools. What could they discover about us that we might not even realize? Of course, there would be a steep cultural learning curve on their part to get to that point. But if we're just starting to realize the possibilities of data mining and manipulation, imagine what alien scientists might be able to do.Eric Melcherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09241965998003676966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5585634015029577378.post-50074280565494731142014-09-28T00:05:34.363-05:002014-09-28T00:05:34.363-05:00"That means that, chances are, they will know..."That means that, chances are, they will know more about us than we know about them."<br /><br />Chances are, they will know more about us than we know about us :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5585634015029577378.post-84557170205834627512014-08-14T12:01:36.416-05:002014-08-14T12:01:36.416-05:00I agree...and it's not just the aliens who wou...I agree...and it's not just the aliens who would need to be worried about us becoming lazy, we would need to worry about it, even if the aliens want to share all of the information they have about science and technology. You're absolutely correct...the struggle is quite important in human development, both on the personal and the civilization level.Eric Melcherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09241965998003676966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5585634015029577378.post-33695601070296190072014-08-13T19:16:38.122-05:002014-08-13T19:16:38.122-05:00The nudge may actually become a hindrance for some...The nudge may actually become a hindrance for some. Once humans know of someone who has the power to easily solve their problems, the human minds can quickly devolve into dependency/frustration/anger when such "simple" assistance is not given. I now appreciate something more than I once did: the struggle is the learning tool. Sometimes, parents want their children to succeed so badly that the parents will undertake the tasks for their children. The children avoid the struggle and have a short-term success (not really, because it was the parents who went through the struggle), but the damage is done because the children miss out on the lesson. <br /><br />Maybe, sometimes, there could be a knock, knock.<br /><br />Not sure of the limits, though. <br /><br />"Headlights On Dark Roads"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5585634015029577378.post-82644738253332560482014-06-08T18:18:55.301-05:002014-06-08T18:18:55.301-05:00I agree anon and I think that if we encounter extr...I agree anon and I think that if we encounter extraterrestrials in our neck of the woods, that would be a necessary part of the relationship. For them to be here, they would have to have advanced technology. It might be best for them to not tell us everything that they know. But as long as they were open about that...it is a form of honesty. Some humans would have a problem with that...but I think we could get over it.<br />Eric Melcherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09241965998003676966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5585634015029577378.post-36750613001806967002014-06-08T18:15:24.757-05:002014-06-08T18:15:24.757-05:00Agreed anon. Such a push would probably be somethi...Agreed anon. Such a push would probably be something that we could not predict...pointing out a problem we never even realized existed. The usual thoughts concerning what we would like out of a relationship with extraterrestrials is a very subjective wish list: a prescription for world peace, environmental warnings, technological solutions etc. And the best route to solving those problems could be our usual messy human march forward...three steps forward, two steps back. Perhaps the only nudge we need is a simple message: the universe is much busier than you know.<br />Eric Melcherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09241965998003676966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5585634015029577378.post-78472645757170254582014-06-07T23:13:13.390-05:002014-06-07T23:13:13.390-05:00I think honesty and openness are amazingly valuabl...I think honesty and openness are amazingly valuable traits.<br /><br />But, oddly enough, honesty and openness are not completely necessary. It is somewhat counter-intuitive, but sufficient trust could be built where there is an understanding that someone might not be told complete truth (with both misinformation and withholding of information) AND yet it is still ok. It is an understanding that for the sake of a greater purpose, one is told what one needs to hear rather than complete truth and openness. It sucks, but it could be tolerable as a matter of faith. In the end, each individual can only rightfully be expected to act upon the knowledge/understanding they possess. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5585634015029577378.post-24638813760775810132014-06-07T23:04:09.131-05:002014-06-07T23:04:09.131-05:00"give us a nudge in the right direction"..."give us a nudge in the right direction"<br /><br />Sounds good, but the actual execution of such a nudge is difficult to predict. Who, how? Increasing intelligence permits ability to see further into the future with further accuracy. Imagine that other species have much more advanced intelligence. Their selection of who and how is beyond mind-blowing. It would be completely incomprehensible to us because we cannot understand their motivations, drives, self-imposed limitations, and ultimate end-goal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5585634015029577378.post-87568128564917630582014-05-05T15:54:46.068-05:002014-05-05T15:54:46.068-05:00I suppose aliens might only want to contact certai...I suppose aliens might only want to contact certain individuals, but I am not sure I can come up with any reasons they would want to do so for altruistic reasons. <br /><br />I understand your point about the problems that would be created if all of humanity knew about First Contact. However, I don't think any of that is changed by contacting only certain people. In the meantime, unless there was some agenda that could be kept hidden for years, people would be extremely distrustful of alien intentions if word of the "special few" ever leaked out.<br /><br />Humans value honesty and openness. If aliens wish to have a relationship with humans they would be best off using honesty and openness as part of their First Contact strategy.Eric Melcherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09241965998003676966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5585634015029577378.post-6524877777174987252014-05-04T15:58:17.331-05:002014-05-04T15:58:17.331-05:00The point of selective individual contact is exact...The point of selective individual contact is exactly so the public will not find out (plus, it is quite a simple technological endeavor to ensure that the public does not find out). Contacting certain individuals versus the entire population might be consistent with the alien ethical/moral principles. I wouldn't describe this using the phrase "alien agenda" as it is altruistic. <br /><br />The non-contacted humans would not feel left out because they would not suspect or expect any sort of contact.<br /><br />Think of this mind experiment. If every civilization in the universe set out to announce itself to low life forms (e.g., humans) throughout the universe, the universe quickly becomes very homogenous. It would be complete anti-diversity.<br /><br />If you suggest contact, what would the limits be? Of course, you could not let anyone die of a simply curable disease, right? Then, you could not let anyone suffer any painful condition whatsoever, right? All pain and suffering would be eliminated. This is not a desirable state to be in. Everything short of the best imaginable will soon become considered intolerable. Eventually, there will be a loss in the perception of time and a corresponding loss of consciousness. <br /><br />The grass is always greener on the other side of first contact!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5585634015029577378.post-90875536022197411652014-04-24T15:30:43.535-05:002014-04-24T15:30:43.535-05:00please alien singularities or artificial intellige...please alien singularities or artificial intelligences rebuild me if i die i really hate to be mortalAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03862119628122460105noreply@blogger.com